In a previous post about the Vendee race, a commenter, GJ, suggested a partial circumnavigation by water, along a particularly smooth circular part of Antarctica, close to the coast line, to detect a convex or concave shape. A convex verification would be consistent with an island which in turn proves a sphere-earth and a concave shape would be consistent with the rim-- which would be proof of a flat earth. The idea intrigued me and is close enough to my primary mission here of a complete circumnavigation to prove 15,000 or 65,000 miles, consistent with the sphere or flat earth respectively, that I thought we should start a new blog post dealing with it on its own. The original exchange between GJ and me on the Vendee post is below the illustration.
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| Here is just one example of a partial circumnavigation that could be used in the way GJ suggested. |
GJNovember 29, 2015 at 2:22 PM
I just found this excellent blog. There is so much to process here. I believe the secret and the answer is at Antarctica. Is it a convex or concave mass on the approach and navagation? Would one steer towards it (into it) continuously as one curves around it, making it an island continent OR would one need to continously steer away from it to hug its rim - always turning away as not to run into it and hit its wall edge. Would like to discuss if you have any thoughts. Thank you for all of the great research
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RickDecember 1, 2015 at 7:12 AM
That's a good insight GJ. Steering into it or away from it would indeed indicate a convex or concave shape. Excellent thought.
As I struggled to convert the paper circle into rim with scissors and paste-ups, and later struggled to place research stations on the Gleason map (azimuthal projection consistent with flat earth), that thought rattled around in the back of my mind but I didn't quite articulate it the way you did so concisely.
It's a good thought. The first problem that occurs to me is the scale on which we're working here. It's hard to confirm slight inward steering vs. outward steering on a 15,000 or 60,000 mile circuit. Of course, if the sailboat race or any circumnavigation is real, the navigator on the ship would be able to tell us what he did to get around. THAT requires we know a navigator. And that would be interesting to pursue.
But then-- if we could make contact with a navigator who was willing to talk to us-- even for a portion of the trip around the island-- we'd be close to selling him on a complete circumnavigation. Still-- the partial test you propose is interesting theoretically. The actual coast line is so jagged that navigation inward or outward would almost have to be conducted by an expert air or sea navigator who knew what he was doing. So overall, I think it's a good idea but the scale of the problem makes it as difficult as the original idea of a complete circumnavigation test.
Thanks for the insight however. Great idea.
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GJDecember 2, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Rick
Absolutely, the scale is unimaginable ! And yes, extremely difficult to discern inward/outward turns.However, a partial coastline sail from Coats Land around to Victoria Land, is mostly circular coastline. I imagine, in every sense of the word, imagine...that plotting a course just slightly north of the delineated Arctic Circle as to avoid most if not all cragged edges. What Im saying; is a way to get a read of the overall shape and the general direction in which you steer the vessel, inward or outward (plotting the big picture). Add to this expedition, a radar/tracking device that is recording its path and can provide a graphic "map" of its journey. Now...ive imagined this scenario as well. Imagine sailing directly along 80degree longitude towards the West Ice Shelf and facing it nose in, and perpendicular to the wall. Now turn a perfect 45 degrees left...straight line. You would either hit the rim, eventually OR
arrive on land. If it is an island cap you would be traveling away from it as it fades away from your right. Thanks for you thoughts on this!! Like I mentioned, I had not seen this aspect of Antarctica (circle or rim) explored ANYWHERE, it, for me, is the most crucial missing piece to all of it. I believe it can be an absolute undeniable proof. Simple geometry? haha
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RickDecember 2, 2015 at 7:25 PM
Yes, this approach is nowhere else on the net-- other than a possible fake attempt by a flat earther who suggested sailing boats around antarctica in opposite directions to see when and where they meet. My simpler circumnavigation as proof is suggested possibly before me but certainly zeroing in on this as proof one way or another has never explored to the depth I'm going, before me, Captain Rick of the Antarctic Circumnavigation Flat Earth Exploration Team.
So.... you're now going into some shoreline detail for a PARTIAL circumnavigation that indicates a convex or concave shape. It's already late tonight but I'll look at this over the next several mornings. It's the most interesting response I've had so far on this blog as it relates directly to my mission. Thanks for the hint about the "mostly circular coastline" between Coats and Victoria.... I'll dig out my maps and upload a new blog post about this which illustrations.
I'm currently bogged down in retail / Christmas / piano so I expect to blog-post in detail on your suggestion in January.
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GJDecember 3, 2015 at 2:09 AM
Rick
Looking forward to your response in January. After I wrote my last post, I had another thought you might be able to speak to.
In regard to sailing directly towards Antarctica and approaching it nose in, at the West Ice Shelf and perpendicular to its wall, then turning a 45 degree angle and sailing due ...left. Lets say that this imaginary expedition had radar tracking in real time. One of two things would be evident: If it is a rim, the ship would move counterclockwise around it. If it is an island cap and the ship hugged its shore, the ship travels clockwise around it. I would like to continue to add new ideas to your blog that you can explore at a later time after the holidays. Thanks again!
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RickDecember 3, 2015 at 5:39 AM
OK, that one is so tricky for me to imagine right now that I have to map it out for sure. Here's what I can do right now to get started-- since "barely started" is "almost done" in my practical philosophy. (The idea behind it is that every time you act, you strengthen the motivation behind that act). I'll post a new blog entry right now on this idea. That way, you can add to this particular idea on a clean page. The page we're on right now ridicules that Vendee Race-- which got you started here. This "Partial Navigation to Detect a Convex or Concave Antarctic Shoreline" idea of yours will be the title of the post-- and the index entry as well.
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