WHICH WAY IS HE GOING? (indeed)
The standard map below demonstrates that going to McMurdo from Casey would involve an overland flight. See Casey on the lower right shore and the American McMurdo in the middle of the bottom on the coast of Ross Sea. In the video above, someone voiced concern might have thought the plane should fly INLAND across to McMurdo, the shortest route on the standard island map of Antarctica.
Now lets look at the flat earth model. Casey to McMurdo is still overland. But if the plane was taking off down the runway going toward Mirage-- the next town over-- he'd have to do a 180 to get going on his route back to McMurdo. He would head out over the water and then head back in over Dumon, Scott and then to McMurdo. In the standard map above, he would take off down the runwy toward Mirage, but then bank left towards an inland route. That might be way the female asks where he's going-- he's supposed to be headed inland, not over the water-- the latter being consistent with the flat earth. Whoever said "why's he take off that way?" likely is under the impression that map looks like the above, not the one below.
What exactly is Mirage, Rick? I can't find it in text anywhere. The reason I ask, Australia uses both McMurdo and another airport which takes large aircraft Wilkins Aerodrome at 66°41'22" S, 111°29'09" E 70km SE of Casey, which would make a lot of sense. Why overfly Wilkins to McMurdo and come back to Casey on a smaller plane? I guess the first arrivals are to get Wilkins Aerodrome ready for the season. [it has been in use since 2008 for scientists not tourists]
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https://www1.data.antarctica.gov.au/aadc/mapcat/display_map.cfm?map_id=13264
Don't you love the fuzzy low res map of the Australian Antarctic Air Transport System? You can't see anything!
google location for Wilkins
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/66%C2%B041%2722.0%22S+111%C2%B029%2709.0%22E/@-58.3229269,110.535516,3z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
You can see the flight schedules for 2014/5 here
https://secure3.aad.gov.au/public/schedules/flight.cfm
In fact only the seson's first flight goes to McMurdo from Tasmania and returns to Melbourne pronto.
Quite a few C-130 photos at Casey here but no pics of Wilkins.
https://www.facebook.com/dbarringhaus/media_set?set=a.1568146401775.2079808.1178881068&type=1&l=46508a3ec7
Some photos of Wilkins in 2013
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations/casey/this-week-at-casey/2013/29-november-2013/3
and earlier photos to show bulldozers creating an ice runway for wheeled aircraft...
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/travel-and-logistics/aviation/intercontinental-operations/wilkins-aerodrome/wilkins-runway-construction-and-maintenance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkins_Runway
The Airbuses don't refuel on their round trips from Hobart to Wilkins
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almost 4000 km, but there's no informaton about the duration of the flight.
There's supposed to be a video of the landing here [quicktime which I don't have installed]
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/__data/assets/video_file/0018/20835/ml_394286406712963_a319_wilkins_runway.mp4
Oh look, the Australian government came out here to Casey/Wilkins in December 2012
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/living-and-working/stations/casey/this-week-at-casey/2012/this-week-at-casey-21-december-2012/3
Mirage is actual Mirnyy, a Russian base, between Casey and Davis. I used the word Mirage because it was easier to remember than "Mirnyy" OR... I couldn't see Mirnyy on a low res map and just used Mirage as a name holder for the moment. Here's a better map with Mirnyy on it.
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Thanks Rick
ReplyDeleteThere's a nice archived list of all Antarctic Facilties with co-ordinates and landing information here
http://web.archive.org/web/20070218093920/http://www.comnap.aq/facilities
Later caches are dead links.
It looks like Mirny doesn't take aircraft, ditto Progress,which seems to have taken over from Mirny
Some details here of the two stations
http://south.aari.ru/stations/progress/progress_ru.html
http://www.aari.nw.ru/projects/Antarctic/stations/mir/mir_en.html
[the English page for Progress has little information]
However, we learn in this blog
http://himalayanadventurer.blogspot.co.uk/2008/10/fire-accident-at-progress-russian.html
that there was a big fire at Progress and the text implies that Basler planes can land there:
RAE plans to organize a flight of BT67 airplane from Novolazarevskaya station in early December. If
the state of the injured people aggravates, RAE will make this flight in
early November for evacuating these people.
Ok I'll try to start a new map and install these locations. I'm currently looking for flight times, milegages and blog experiences on flights between key stations and I'm not finding very much. I've been looking at private yacht trips to see where they go. And I've been trying to accumulate trips to the south pole from various stations-- they say McMurdo is the only station by which you go to the south pole-- and that makes sense on a flat earth--- but I also see solo journeys by one person from Novo which make no sense-- maybe they're hoaxes. Certainly the girl who rode a tricycle to the south pole must be... it's ridiculous but presented as real. I'll make a post on that soon. Your details will help but it's obviously tricky to accumulate the data. Some blogger made a comment that he was surprised how fast the trip was by boat from Britain to Halley which was interesting. I found a Russian station near Casey that went inland quite far-- you saw it-- that was the 'train" convoy pulling supplies and sleds but interestingly they don't have any info on going to the pole from there... which makes sense on flat earth because they would be travelling in the opposite direction on the opposite side. So we're looking at datå that we make inferences from. I looked up routes to the pole from various stations and that's hard too.
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