I found some photos of the Tryoshnikov's crew on a "student's blog" about the first leg of the journey of the SAI-ACE voyage. Here's the first lietenant--- notice NO UNIFORMS.
I guess these might be a couple of the deckhands. There are supposed to be 60 crew members in all. This is the first I've seen of them.
Here's my modified map of a flat earth with approximations of where I think the various research stations should be. The GREEN LINE represents what COULD BE the route of the Treshnikov, leaving South Africa, hitting southern Australia, dipping down to Mertz glacier, cutting across to Chile and then back home to South Africa. What they're calling a circumnavigation of Antarctica might be, instead, a circumnavigation of the known world's continents instead. The reader can see that if one were to actually tour closer to the shore of Antarctica as a flat world rim, that the distance would be more.
Why do flat earth theorists calculate the circumference of the flat disc shaped world as approx. 60,000 miles?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't this throw off distances, say the width of Australia east to west, by an unbelievable amount.
On the flat earth map, Australia looks as big as Russia. That can't be right can it? Might the azimuthal projection be distorting the size of the south lands?
If the earth is flat, wouldn't the sun above make for permanent daytime?
In spite of these critical questions, which I think flat earth theorists cannot answer adequately, the one point of the flat earth theory I can't yet throw out the window is Antarctica being land and ice that surrounds this earth. So thanks for sharing your quest.
Have you considered, this earth is only on half a sphere?... And we don't know the other half of it (the sphere)? And there are 2 suns...???
The consensus for earth circumference is around 25000 miles.
If this is correct, and we only actually know of half the sphere, the circumference would still be 25000, but top to bottom or side to side of this earth at its widest points would only be 12500.
I think this would make the oceans smaller than thought...
If this is correct, and a boat sailed around the circumference earth mostly at 60 degrees south latitude, IN 3 LEGS, I would think this might give a measurement close to 14000 miles.
3 legs would be taking a short cut I think, because 4 legs would give a measurement closer to the actual circumference... Like going around a square, but when you get to the 3rd leg of the square, instead of following the square path, you make a sharper turn, take the shortcut, and follow a triangle path...
Make sense?...
Captain Cook sailed 2 years and 60,000 miles around Antarctica-- an impossible distance on a globe with a circumference of 25,000 miles. Today, we reason that because circumference at the equator is 25,000 miles, extending that out by another 90 degrees of latitude would double that distance to 50,000 miles. So the actual estimate is "between" 50 and 60,000 miles as a guesstimate. I like 60,000 because it's 4X 15,000, the 15,000 being the official circumfence of Antarctica. That's why my quest is to determine the distance around as either 15 or 60K.
ReplyDeleteAustralia & Russia look to be similar in size-- good question. Everything gets stretched out in the southern hemisphere. I've tried to compare distances on land between two longitudes of the same width at similar N and S latitudes. My preliminary findings are that, indeed, the land is wider. I could be mistaken. No conclusion.
The sun on flat earth is 3000 miles up and indeed disappears over the horizon due to perspective and vanishing points on a plane. It's not high enough to keep daylight on over the entire surface. See diagram partway down Eric Dubay's post here...http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/06/south-pole-does-not-exist.html
I can't imagine how half a sphere would work unless we think of it as an upside down bowl. Others point to evidence of a concave dish. I'm interested in different geometries but decided to focus on circumference here due to my time and mental power constraints.
Your half-world model can be tested which would make the Antarctic rim 25,000 miles and, as you point out, a circumference of 12,500 miles. At 60S, 14,000 miles seems about right on this model and a 4th leg would be longer-- pushing toward the 25,000 miles.
I'll keep this idea in mind. It's opposite to what I was thinking in terms of a 60,000 mile rim and it challenges the 25,000 mile circumference-- but I'll think it through some more. If the equator is 12,500 miles long, not 25,000, then distances in the northern hemisphere have to be shorter than we thought. Canada's border with the US for example, is only 2000 miles, not 4,000 miles. It would also explain how Sarah Palin can see Russia from her kitchen window in Alaska.
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
In summer in the southern parallels, sunrise in Santiago is sunset in Sydney.
ReplyDeleteThe sun appears halfway between the 2 cities.
Close to 4000 miles east or west.
3000 miles high is similar to what I think...
If the sun was going out of sight because it was too far down the horizon, why does it appear the same size throughout the whole day?
Actually an optical illusion makes it appear bigger at sunset and sunrise than at high noon.
If it was going out of sight as it went further along on a plane, wouldnt it appear to shrink?
I think the sun appears to rise and set because the sphere of earth spins, and the sun goes out of view when its blocked by earth, relative to where you may be.
Another point, how can you explain 24 hour days in Antarctic summer?
This is a challenge for my theory too, and the only way I can think to explain it is there are 2 suns. 2 great lights.
I've been considering the sun but haven't drilled down on that aspect of the problem. Thanks for the insight and questions however. I'll think on it some more.
ReplyDelete@L.A.M. The optical illusion would be created by the "glass" firmament and the shape that it would have. In your line of sight at the horizon sun-rays would travel through relative more glass in staid of at noon. This might result in a bigger sun at sun-rise and sun-set.
ReplyDeleteYou say that the earth-sphere is spinning, but that still would result in a fantastic high speed at the outer rim, aka 2500 miles/hour (faster then the speed of sound). For me this doesn't add up. So I still prefer to go for the motionless flat earth or motionless concave like plane.
The 24 hour days in the antarctic summer. In this case I must refer to an earlier remark made by me here, regarding the black dot or black eye in the sun. This phenomenon is visible on many of the Antarctica webcams (for instance: http://www.antarctica.gov.au/webcams/casey). Most logical explanation for this is that they have been able to put a fake sun or some kind of mirroring device in orbit, so that they would have continuous sun over-there. This they probably would do so for continuously monitoring the area where the firmament meets the earth. Maybe they have found a way through or not and know what lies on the other side and therefor monitoring is essential. So there could be continuous sunlight at Antarctica even it would be winter (this of course is hypothetical as we cannot know this for sure). How many fake suns there would be, I am not sure. But for covering the 60.000 mile rim and beyond there probably would be several or a dozen (as the firmament would be at only 60-70 miles height, but the real sun at approximately 3000 miles). I guess this is also the reason why you never see live footage from the webcams but a photo every several minutes to cover up the time-span of it.
Re: fake suns over Antarctica: I severely doubt that. Considering that the earth is flat, Antarctica should receive 24 hour sunlight while the sun transverses its circumference. However, you wouldn't see a 24 hour sun from any one set location upon Antarctica. Conversely, in the Arctic there should be a 24 hour sun (i.e. a midnight sun) throughout summer. Regarding those cameras, given that all countries involved signed the UN Antarctic Treaty, presumably to conceal the true nature of the world, they have a vested interest in duping the masses and will resort to whatever fakery necessary to keep the heliocentric illusion afloat. Space agencies were created for this very purpose.
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