While waiting for SAI-ACE on the Akademik Tryoshnikov to report more on their current circumnavigation of Antarctica, I discovered a 1 hour Russia Today documentary on Youtube that is quite good-- reporting on the servicing of Russian Antarctica bases Molodazneya and Progress by Akademik Fyodorov. It's embedded just below. Grab some beer and chips and enjoy as I did.
It may be possible to hire the Fyodorov & crew to do a circumnavigation closer to Antarctica's shoreline to determine if it's 50-60,000 miles, 15,000 miles or-- someone has suggested 25,000 miles, consistent with a 12,500 diameter for flat earth rather than 25,000 miles. Their boat is an icebreaker and could potentially visit many stations. With their experience and good spirits, I'm sure they would cooperate in a flat earth investigation using distance.
I've been contacted by a documentary producer from Australia who reads this blog. He wondered if we shouldn't do a real circumnavigation but disguise it as tourism. I don't think that's feasible. I think that for me personally, I would have to go headlong and overt into this if I were to join a physical circumnavigation attempt.
Here's a little part of the Potvin-Gleason map that shows PROGRESS station and Molodeznaya station that the Fyodorov serviced as covered in the documentary below.
It may be possible to hire the Fyodorov & crew to do a circumnavigation closer to Antarctica's shoreline to determine if it's 50-60,000 miles, 15,000 miles or-- someone has suggested 25,000 miles, consistent with a 12,500 diameter for flat earth rather than 25,000 miles. Their boat is an icebreaker and could potentially visit many stations. With their experience and good spirits, I'm sure they would cooperate in a flat earth investigation using distance.
I've been contacted by a documentary producer from Australia who reads this blog. He wondered if we shouldn't do a real circumnavigation but disguise it as tourism. I don't think that's feasible. I think that for me personally, I would have to go headlong and overt into this if I were to join a physical circumnavigation attempt.
Here's a little part of the Potvin-Gleason map that shows PROGRESS station and Molodeznaya station that the Fyodorov serviced as covered in the documentary below.
Hi Rick,
ReplyDeleteThe 12500 distance I'm thinking of would be the distance straight across our world, at the widest parts, I'm thinking the top half of a sphere.
Antarctica i'm thinking is like the giant equator of the sphere, close to 25,000 miles around the world, dividing our world from the world below...
It just occurred to me, perhaps some evidence for this Antarctic equator theory...
How do clouds form?
Water vapor rises, pretty sure this part is a fact.
But there needs to be a solid for the water vapor to condensate on, to form a cloud.
Current theories say the water vapor condensates on dust in the atmosphere. But I'm skeptical there is enough dust kicked up off earth into the atmosphere to form clouds.
Perhaps clouds are really seeded in the giant Antarctic equator, and ice crystals blown sky high into the atmosphere from there.
Antarctica has the strongest winds on earth right?
If the earth is a spinning sphere, it would be spinning fastest at the equator. Wouldnt the strongest winds form where earth is spinning the fastest?
I'll try to check out this video later. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe I will share more of my theories here, drawn up more thoroughly, assuming I don't wind up throwing them out the window in the process.
Cheers.
Can you upload a diagram? I have 2 pi r =c where r = 6,250 (half of 12.500)
ReplyDeleteSo 2 pi 6,250 would be 37,500 circumference. I'll check my geometry tonight and tomorrow.
The wind argument is my favorite. Why is there no wind consistent with a spinning planet? I've watched plenty of sci fi in my years and I figure a mudball that spins would have high winds--1000 mph at the equator.
I haven't thought about clouds but will tonight. joni mitchell called them ice cream castles in the air.
I'm still working on a diagram, and I do want to share it here if I can ever get it figured out...
ReplyDeleteOh I'm not going along with any still earth theory. The spinning earth theory I am pretty sure is the way it is.
Why not 1,000 mph winds?
Must be the atmosphere spins too.
Perhaps starting around the magnetosphere... But that's just my speculation because of supposed magnetism there...
Its not like you can just idle a helicopter 1 mile high, and watch the earth spin beneath you.
The helicopter won't escape any spin.
Pretty sure no publicly known of astronaut has truly gone beyond the magnetosphere (The old myth of Icarus seems appropriate)
Here is an article explaining how the motion of a pendulum over a day shows the world in rotation.
https://www.google.com/amp/scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2010/09/17/but-it-moves-how-we-know-the-e/amp/?client=ms-android-att-us
Another example is a round flight from say San Francisco and Toronto.
SF to TO is always faster (flying with spin)
TO to SF is always slower (flying against the spin)
This shows wind is generated from the spin of earth
Here is another unique example, an experiment about gravity.
If you put light beneath an object, the object gets heavier.
Why???
It seems the theory is, light shields against centrifugal force,
Light beneath an object weakens the centrifugal force from beneath an object, but it doesn't change the centrifugal force above an object,
Since less force from below, and the same force from above, the weight increases.
Here is the blog of this experiment...
http://www.gravityforces.com/?p=894
In regards to the 12500 mile figure...
All I have done is considered the standard globe model. A sphere with a circumference of 25000 miles.
I do think we live on this size of a sphere.
But I have assumed the world we know of is only on half of the sphere.
So to fly across our world, half a sphere, I'm suspecting would be 12500 miles.
To circumnavigate the coastline of Amtarctica, I suspect would be close 25000 miles or perhaps 24000 miles, if a perfectly sound navigation could be done.
Flat earth theory says the circumference of world is 78000 miles and therefore the diameter would be close to 25000 miles.
Consider a flight from Sydney Australia to Santiago Chile.
A bit more than 8000 miles.
Then look at an azimuthal projection for a general guideline.
Looks like Sydney to Santiago is about two thirds of the way across the world... Just eyeballing it...
If the distance across the world is 25000 miles, two thirds of that is a bit more than 16000 miles. Doesn't match.
If the distance across the world is 12500 miles two thirds of that is a bit more than 8000 miles. This seems to match.
The case against the wind spinning with the earth is that the air is not "attached" to the surface of the earth. It often moves opposite to the earth anyway due to pressure zones.
ReplyDeleteThe pendlum has been discredited. They're motorized hoaxes.
Toronto to SF might be slower due to "prevailing winds". I'd have to consider more flights for this to be checked. In general, flying east ought always to be slower. I don't know if I've seen that idea out there. Interesting thought though.
I've never seen the light vs. gravity theory-- I'll check it out.
I'll look at flights from Sydney to Santiago-- you're pointing to 8000 mi. That indeed would be fatal to y 60,000 mi circumference / 25,000 mi diameter. The question is-- does the flight exist? There sees to be arguments over that. see
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1H64QlwZFlkJ:https://aplanetruth.info/2015/07/12/flat-plane-truth-long-distance-air-travel/%2Bhttps://aplanetruth.info/2015/07/12/flat-plane-truth-long-distance-air-travel/&num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&hl=en&ct=clnk
Good thinking there IA-- leave it with me for a few weeks. I have to be away for awhile now but will try to incorporate your thoughts into my own analysis here. In the meantime, I think you have enough original thinking to at least create a page or two of your own, with diagrams.
Oh... Hadnt heard the pendulum was discredited. Maybe I will leave that assertion out of future discussions...
ReplyDeleteIf you think of Earth like a giant spinning diamond...
https://youtu.be/e592p0SeiYY
Causes centrifugal force from below...
And you imagine a counter centrifugal from above...
If that's gravity...
That force would apply to all solids and liqids and gases in the earth and Earth's atmosphere, yeah?
A centrifuge can move gas too...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_centrifuge
So the air might be forced into the spin along side the earth, though maybe the air reacts with more volatility to the rotation, and this could be what partially causes winds... Is a theory...
All very interesting and worth looking into but I chose to confine my examination of this problem of the flat vs. spherical earth to just the distance around Antarctica. Instead of the pendulum (a motorized hoax), I prefer universal or 3-axis gyroscope to help in this. It's more compact and more a known factor in flight and shipping. Now someone-- it might have been you-- suggested earlier that we test for more left turn or right turn corrections to determine which way the curve was while sailing around Antarctica. My objection was that you'd have to track every move in the wheelhouse and see the records of the captain-- then assemble a huge amount of data. It just struck me now that I could start a motorized gyroscope up, instead, and watch "it" turn as the "record keeper" of account. More on this later. Your input here may not always go in the direction you intended but it jogs my mind into productive (possibly productive) directions anyway. I'll make a new blog entry about this soon-- see the index under gyroscope.
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