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Wednesday, September 23, 2015

Captain James Cook is not a useful reference for flat earth Antarctica after all.


Eric Dubay points to Captain Cook as a viable reference for flat earth Antarctica because he travelled 60,000 miles around Antarctica consistent with flat earth. But, aside from the fact that I don't like Dubay because he a) banned me from his IFERS forum after my first post without explanation and b) he has a robotic monotone voice impossible to listen to -- aside from those points-- he doesn't provide a map of what HE thinks Cook's circumnavigation journey consisted of. As anyone can see from the mixed up mess of a route map below, Cook's voyages are not conclusive on the face of it. It turns out Cooks voyages are a rabbit hole if you dare drill down on them like I did before giving up because I have a job and do this crap in my spare time-- my dwindling spare time since my property taxes are inexplicably doubling along with the price of eggs. If I could encourage God to damn anything, I'd have him damn the increasing price of eggs and property tax. But I digress don't I. As usual. On beer. (The beer is talking).



So Eric-- you first-time-forum-poster-banner-monotone-speaker-- I ask you-- where is the 60,000 mile route you think Cook sailed? Is it the green line? The blue line? The red line? Another line? You see-  I think Captain Cook was a drunken sailor, given the above route. Is there any map published that explains the route, graphically with little balloons like in the comic books? No. Why not? You would think that in a world where we have the internet and computers, that someone could do that. Nope. I'd love to see a movie or read a book that details the decisions made on board Cook's ship as they navigated their way around the world as seen above. I think it might resemble a Monty Python skit.


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  1. Captain cooks writings have been changed so much over the years that we dont know the truth. Thats why its a rabbit hole. Many other voyages conclude around 22,000 miles from the southern tip of Africa and all the way back around. Thats too many miles if you compare to the globe map. Any map is inaccurate actually. The further south you go, the more distorted things are

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    1. I wish you would tell my readers and me who you are. To say "any map is innaccurate" is quite astounding.

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  2. I'd say captain cook was a drunken sailor too man. Lol Nice reads.

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    1. What shall we do with a drunkin sailor?
      What shall we do with a drunkin sailor?
      what shall we do with a drunkin sailor?
      So early in the morning?

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    2. Put him in a box and throw him over
      Early in the morning

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    3. Shave his belly with a rusty razor
      Early in the mornin'!

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  3. Name calling and making fun of the topic is worthless tripe. Possibly the ideas put forth that the southern areas of the 'globe' or flat earth maps in Cooke's day were inaccurate and made for a difficult navigation experience. He had nothing really to go by. Maybe there's more that Cooke was told to look for that was misinformation.

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    1. I"ll grant you that. He's a victim like you and me and our readers here. VEry possible.

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  4. yanks are bunch of liars bastards

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    1. Did you mean "lying bastards" or "liars and bastards" or "bastard liars"???8 King's "English" is really fucked up!!!

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  5. All he had and his crew had to do was follow the ice wall that was always to the east or west depending on which way they were traveling. The only way it makes sense is on a flat plane earth map...So I guess Admiral Cook, and ADMIRAL Byrd were both horrible sailors if they didn't know where they were going.

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    1. "All he had and his crew had to do was follow the ice wall that was always to the east or west depending on which way they were traveling" - If such an ice wall existed then it would be to their south while the ship moves east or west

      "Admiral Cook" - in the first voyage he was a lieutenant, in the second voyage he was a captain

      If you're going to try to prove a point, you should really try to be correct and make SOME sense on your topic.

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    2. Wow, interesting point. Who was the Captain of the first voyage?

      I've not had time to work on this mission lately but it seems that Cook is still a useful reference after all-- despite my blog post's title.

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  6. Just based on research I'm currently doing on such Admirals & Captains, I know that unfortunately the flat earth guy your commenting about has 2 separate things combined into 1. Here they are:

    On January 30 (1773) he reached his furthest south but could go no further. The ice "extended east and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height...It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the Pole, or perhaps joins to some land to which it has been fixed since creation."

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    (Nov 1774-July 1775)
    The voyage lasted three years and eight days covering more than 60,000 miles. Cook had proved there was no southern continent unless it was at the pole itself.

    These are two separate voyages, clearly.

    pixelmation at gmail

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    1. Did the "second voyage" include the milage from the point of origin or was it started when he reached the "ice cliff" and followed for "60,000" miles (were these nautical miles?) in either the Easterly direction or the Westerly direction until he figured it was useless to go any further because it seeded that the "ice wall" was never ending? Was there any way he could know if he had indeed followed either direction of voyage that he returned to his point of origin of this voyage? If so, how accurate is his estimation (if he indeed recorded this voyage in nautical miles???) of the length of his voyage "around" Antarctica as it is compared with the most useful "flat earth" map used today? If Cook actually did attempt to map the length of the land mass he recognized as Antarctica, was this recorded in his ship's log? Do we have this record today? If so, why hasn't this information been offered up yet? If Cook actually did undertake this voyage along the coastline of Antarctica that lasted for a distance of at least 60,000 nautical miles and this was comparable to the distance of the shoreline of the "flat earth" maps wouldn't this be proof enough that Antarctica can't possibly be a "continent" comparable to a landmass such as Australia or the North Polar Region but rather an area of land mass that encircles all the oceans and continents of our known earth? Why hasn't someone looked into this to settle this argument once and for all? Why would an advocate of the "flat earth" model of the world use Cook as a proof if this voyage never took place and did not include all that milage following the coastline of Antarctica? If the voyage did take place and it did include at least 60,000 nautical miles wouldn't it be possible for someone else to attempt a circumnavigation of the Antarctic Continent and compare the distances to see if the second included a land mass with a shoreline of that distance, 60,000 nautical miles?

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    2. Sorry, didn't proof read..."seemed" not "seeded"...

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    3. Wow. Just got to this now.

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  7. This is a dumb post captain cook wrote he traveled 60 thousand miles looking for an opening to antartica,the whole time looking at a huge ice wall I believe he wrote to his left.how could he be seeing an ice wall on that route u made up on that fake globe

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    1. Cook never said there was an ice wall, that's a misunderstanding of what he actually wrote.

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    2. Really? Then what did Cook actually write in his Captain's Log? Why should we believe you?...and if Cook did not us the description of an "ice wall", how did he describe what he witnessed along his voyage attempting to find an opening into Antarctica? If you're not going to include reference points then your comments are pretty useless in either argument ("flat earth" model or "spheroidal earth" model...).

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    3. FUCK!!!!...PROOF READ!!!!...Sorry!..."use" not "us"!!!...DAMN!!!

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    4. He did refer to a wall of ice that never let up,no bays , coves or places to enable stepping on the ice/ land. Plus his reckoning was off compounding daily. He was a seasoned explorer no learner

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  8. Am I the only one that sees an outline of continents in those routes? It looks like it was overlaid on an incorrect map. Just saying..

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    1. Has anyone attempted to overlay Cook's Antarctic Voyage on a "flat earth" map instead of a flattened "spheroidal earth" map? It might make more sense if this is done. All of Cook's voyages were meant for discovery. He was attempting to discover previously unknown lands as well as map the coastlines of those lands he did discover. If indeed he did attempt to map the coastline of Antarctica and followed the coastline either to Starboard or Port-side and never found an "opening" to a body of water that offered entry into the "continent" of Antarctica, wouldn't one assume that either he didn't travel far enough to actually see the entire coastline of Antarctica and discover that entry point into that landmass or that he just could never find an endpoint to the coastline...especially after traveling 60,000 nautical miles? If Cook didn't record the coastline of Antarctica as an "ice wall" then what words did he use to describe what he had discovered?

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    2. Also, in all of Cook's voyages his navigator recorded that voyage precisely so that with the navigation points recorded one could follow the exact course taken by Cook at a later date and follow the exact course that Cook took. These exact navigation points could be laid out on a "flat earth" map and show the exact course that Cook took on that "flat earth" map. This might make an interesting point to support the "flat earth" model if in fact 60,000 nautical miles were recorded in following the Antarctica coastline and that distance was more than what our present estimation of the Antarctic coastline is measured today on a "spheroidal earth" map.

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  9. Your trying to fit his trip in a map you believe to be right. That mess of lines would look a lot different on a flat map. Just saying. The problem trying to debate any if this, is are doing so with an education that is clearly not 100% truthful. Trying to find or solve something we dont have the true facts to begin with makes it frustrating. I use levels everyday. Water, laser, and i can even make one with a tube. All terrain and mountain height is taken from sea level. Water always takes the shape of its container. Ocean, lake, pond. No pond in Australia is upside down. Gravity is not holding it and the fish upside down. If it did i wouldn't be writing right now. Id be crushed.put water into a teacup it becomes the teacup......so yoir at a beach. Horizon is about 3 miles away straight ahead. Thats about as far as a 6ft person can see.Ballers say watch a ship sail over the horizon.....but i say ok, if it sails over said curvature and the bend starts about three miles or so in front of me.....where is that same curvature when panning across the longer line of horizon from left to right? You know what a ball looks like? It's more then 12 to 14 miles. Depending on the beach and heights you could see thousands of miles of flat horizon. No curve. Never. Till the end of time you will never see a ball. Shown, told, a fake curvature. There is a famous quote of education being designed to rob you of your senses. One even saying slaves need not an education beyond industrial labor. Education is not intelligence. Education still teaching Darwin. Embryo will gills was proven wrong 125 years ago. Its in a classroom school book this very second. We are not by chance. We are the center of everything. NASA is a money making machine. I should say money taking. They dont teach round earth in engineering or drafting. We are all guilty of being cluless about what our senses tell us. We are definitely not spinning. No one is in space. Nothing gos out and makes it back in. Operation fishbowl. Fact. Think to yourself. ICBM....never been launched. Why? Cause they wouldn't go anywhere. Up....and boom. Up and boom. Same thing un 40s in Antarctica. Weather manipulation. Its all real. Conspiracy is a word to make you look the other way and laugh. I am flat earth. My kids are flat earth. Propaganda is now again legal. Patriot act is signed indefinitely. Your right's disappear while you sleep. Even new laws. Government cares nothing for us. They want your money. Wages earned for one's labor, is There's to keep. Where is the law demanding income tax? There isn't one. We are dumbed down. McDonald's and reality tv. Sci-fi and Disney. Meanwhile tesla roadsteron its way to mars. LMAO. You can tell it all real.....cause it all looks fucking fake. NASA, ISS you too. Be woke. Ask questions. Science is a series of those. No one has firsthand knowledge of a ball. Fisheye is earths fake curvature.

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    1. The "Public Educational" system is rather a "Public Indoctrination" system! We are "taught" not how to "think" but rather how to "respond in the acceptable manner". Since our schools adopted this "system" of education our youth has suffered a major dumbing down. Our standing on "intelligence" has suffered when compared to that of the rest of the major nations of the world. By "teaching" our youth (kindergarten through doctorate level education...) that "Evolution" is fact, that the "spheroidal earth" model is fact, that our support of mathematics developed to explain "gravity" is not based upon anything but assumption and preconceived ideas not based upon actual observation. Without "gravity" a "spheroidal earth" model is not possible. This can be seen by spinning a wet tennis ball, the water spins off at the center point of the ball. At no time in history has anyone actually seen the earth spinning or the earth going around the sun or the solar system's actual existence and if it exists it has never been seen to speed through our "galaxy" or our "galaxy" traveling through our "universe". The only pictures we have of planets or distant "galaxies" are supplied through agencies such as NASA and accepted as 'TRUTH" when there is no was to prove what they actually show, especially their pictures of the earth from outer space. All pictures of the earth are made up from computer graphics composites. No picture of earth has ever been proven to have been taken from beyond our atmosphere. There is no proof of satellites or the ISS actually exist. We accept the word of the same people who lie to us every day about everything else so why should we accept anything they offer us as truthful? We have never been to the moon and made it back to earth. The earth is surrounded by something called the Van Allen belts which are composed of intense radiation which NASA now tells us that no man can survive without proper protection which has not yet been accomplished...yet, the same people told us we have sent men to the moon and back...through the same radiation belts they say we can't live through now? Doesn't that seem to be a contradiction by the same people NASA? Isn't NASA the same people who brought us the Hubble Telescope? Why believe anything these assholes tell anybody?!!! One thing can be proven. After "Operation Deep Freeze", all governments of the world have made Antarctica off limits to anyone but government representatives with top secret clearance...no person is permitted onto Antarctica! No person is permitted within a certain geographical point which is not even close to the Antarctic shoreline. All private "Antarctic Tours" are only to islands off Antarctica, not into the "continent" itself. Something was discovered during "Operation Deep Freeze" that the governments of the world do not want mankind to learn of...what? I'm pretty sure that they discovered the base of the "dome" (ie. "firmament") which would prove the "flat earth" model and in doing so would also cause the people of the world to assume that if the world is flat and covered by a "dome" then it must have been created by an intelligent force called "God" as described within the Bible. If God is proven to exist then it would make whatever God told us within his Word and we would be accountable to God! If God is in control then the governments of the world would lose their power over the people. NASA and all such agencies would be shut down and this would turn into a Tsunami which would include all businesses associated with satellites and space exploration. The economies of the world would be shaken to their foundations.

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    2. Watch the YouTube videos labeled "God's Enclosed Flat Earth Investigation - Full Documentary [HD] Parts 1-12". These videos give lots of facts that show a "flat earth" model rather than the accepted "spheroidal earth" model. I would appreciate it if anyone promoting the "spheroidal earth" model to offer up facts that contradict those facts offered up in these videos supporting the "flat earth" model.

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    4. WRONG! I have been on an Antarctic wildlife photographic expedition, as well as outlying islands, we landed on, and camped on the Antarctic continent, we also visited the bases/research centres of 3 different countries also on the continent itself. There are several expedition companies that offer mountaineering on peaks on the continent. Quantas does frequent sightseeing summer flights over the continent. I did see some impressive peaks, but in three weeks of cruising off the continental Antarctic coast I didn't see you flat-earther's barrier of ice cliffs. Needless to say, the passengers of the sightseeing flights have never reported seeing any sort of massive wall either. Some years ago, the company I worked for were the sponsors of Robert Swan's 'In the footsteps of Scott' expedition. Swan has walked, on foot to both the Arctic and Antarctic poles... and never reported any barrier of ice or the base of your idiotic firmament dome. But yeah, I get it, we are ALL part of the conspiracy. LOL! Oh...No proof that the ISS exists? You can see it through a telescope... I can even make out it's features through my high powered binoculars! It appears on the horizon, travels across the sky and disappears over the opposite horizon...making the world...round. You are a dope, get a life sonny.

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    5. Just because you’ve been on a guided tour of what you were told was a continent unless you actually saw every edge your credibility isn’t good enough

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    6. Exactly there are many islands and shelfs. The weather gives it away it should be bo different the North. In fact the southern summer is when the sun is at its closest to earth so it gets more sun. Every time they stupidly lie about warming i check and its alwatmys a lie. Its so far from the freezing point it would take milleniums fo war. It just to come near zero degrees C let alone start melting...think instead of just repeating shit. Its a special place not meant for humans everything about it tells us that. Funny every one in Nth wants a slice yet the arctic is not being occupied by every man and his dog so many countries hold nearest to the ice ring is why its a given its ice fuck all fauna and flora its deadly cold and stable yearly weather never changes...despite the lies. Logic is what will deliver truth not complex BS!

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  10. Just 1 plane or jet could fly from the tip of south America over/under the south pole to the other side. That's all! How hard could that be? But, no one has EVER done it! We didn't go to the Moon and Brown cows don't give chocolate milk. There has never been an experiment to prove we are moving. There have been several that found no movement. The gyro is only for a level guide. A plane flying thousands of miles could not go level but would have to continue to adjust the nose of the plane to stay with a curve. Ask anyone on a long distance trip if they were level the whole time in flight! Time lapse Star trails that are perfect would be impossible if we were moving like they say!
    Orbit at 65,000 MPH around the Sun with the Moon orbiting the Earth.
    The Sun going 650,000 MPH along the arm of the Milky way.
    Milky way going 1.3 Million MPH in orbit around the great attraction.
    Both Earth and Moon are supposed to be on elliptical orbits which means they slow down and speed up in their orbits.
    The Moon is orbiting Earth at 2,270 MPH
    Yet not only the star trails make perfect circles around the north star all the solstices and equinoxes can still be seen through holes drilled thousands of years ago in granite and other monoliths.
    Do not go to the flat earth society for information it is disinfo!
    There is good and bad research but look and you will find.
    I was taught like everyone but the bull they taught was what they were taught to teach.

    A man once said it is easier to believe a lie than to believe you have been lied to!

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    1. Watch the YouTube videos "God's Enclosed Flat Earth Investigation - Full Documentary [HD] Parts 1-12" if you're interested in facts supporting the "flat earth" model. Good presentation!

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      Just 1 plane or jet could fly from the tip of south America over/under the south pole to the other side. That's all! How hard could that be? But, no one has EVER done it!
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      rick says-- right. I think this is true. Idiotic cruise ships are bigger all the time but they dare not do a cruise jet-- new idea? -- which would involve THAT mission. ...a cruise jet... instead of a cruise ship. hmmm...

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      There has never been an experiment to prove we are moving. Th
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      rick: true

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      Time lapse Star trails that are perfect would be impossible if we were moving like they say!
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      rick: true... I watch the big dipper as many nights as I can before going to bed and when getting up early... and I wonder how it can be given their model...

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      Yet not only the star trails make perfect circles around the north star all the solstices and equinoxes can still be seen through holes drilled thousands of years ago in granite and other monoliths.
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      rick: right. So where is Graham Handcocker on this? Or any astronomer?

      rick: I'm still interested in this problem but no time money to work on it momentarily.



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  11. Captain James Cook , Lieutenant (acting Commander 1st voyage)... Greatest marine surveyor of the Pacific , all maps utilized in WW2 by U.S. naval forces were Cook's... His attempt to find the nth west passage in 1788 was a disappointment and he was later killed in Hawaii by a knife to the neck , which appears he gifted to local chief... In respect to Captain James Cook , a Yorkshire man who plotted as many kilometers by sea as it takes to reach the Moon... Give or take a few thousand.
    The Home Affairs of British Government at the time needed new lands for penal colonies . American war of Independence was beginning to bubble and Cook became enlisted to do the King's dirty work ...much maligned to this day , I suspect Cook has few historical allies...Regards SF

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    1. the moon... I don't think so. If earth is flat, the moon is not what we think it is. Cook definitely one of us though.

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    2. Oh he must of logged mote than 3000kms surely...lol

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  12. The Hawaiians ate him after they killed him didn't they? So, he became an integral part of the Hawaiian Islands! I'm pretty sure that his voyage to find the NorthWest Passage through Antarctica is available someplace which, if properly recorded in the actual nautical miles he actually traveled in total in his effort to find the elusive passage. He couldn't find any inlets into Antarctica and after quite a few nautical miles he gave up on any inlets into the "continent"; however, his voyage is recorded and it should be as accurate as those of his previous voyages. This should give us a fairly accurate idea of the length of the coastline of Antarctica and if this recorded distance is more than the accepted circumference of the present "spheroidal earth" model map then this should prove the "flat earth" model is accurate and prove the world is flat and covered by a "dome"...now the question is..."Who" made the dome?

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    1. The problem I see is ... where are his records?

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    2. Here ya go:

      Captain James Cook's Journals
      1755 to 1757: First Voyage
      https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/1755-to-1757-his-first-voyages-after-joining-the-navy

      Captain James Cook's Journals
      1772 to 1779: Second & Third Voyages
      https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/1772-to-1779-second-and-third-world-voyages

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    3. Great, thanks. I'll create a link in my files for this... and read up. In bed.

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  13. I'd question about James Cook's second voyage. He was the first to cross the Antarctic Circle, but did not encounter the Antarctic mainland.

    The closest thing to an "Ice Wall" would be the Ross Ice Shelf. Named after James Clark Ross whom discovered it in 1841, it was initially labelled "the great ice barrier" because it impeded sailing further south.

    Keeping that in mind, you'd really have to further question this assertion about James Cook and Antarctica because of Robert Falcon Scott. In spite of Ross's ice shelf, the British Navy expected that Scott would find islands when he mounted his expedition in 1901. If Cook had reached the Antarctic mainland as Eric Dubay claims, why would anyone expect islands?

    In Scott's first expedition, he mapped a substantial portion of Antarctica, and was the first to discover the Antarctic plateau where the South Pole is located.

    In his second voyage 1910, he became the second man to reach the South Pole (Roald Amundsen was first by 5 weeks). He himself died in March of 1912 on the Ross Ice Shelf. He and his companions were 150 miles from their base camp, but only 11 miles to the next depot.

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  14. These should prove useful to you:

    Captain James Cook's Journals
    1755 to 1757: First Voyage
    https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/1755-to-1757-his-first-voyages-after-joining-the-navy

    Captain James Cook's Journals
    1772 to 1779: Second & Third Voyages
    https://www.captaincooksociety.com/home/detail/1772-to-1779-second-and-third-world-voyages

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Hi, I'm Captain Rick of the Virtual Circumference Voyage of Antarctica. I intend to prove definitively if Earth is flat or a sphere by paying careful attention to how many miles we cover as we travel "around" Antarctica. Flat earth theory says it's 50-60,000 miles. Spherical Earth theory says it 14,000 miles. Join me and ask any questions that you think would help our mission.